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Re: A Biological marker for ADHD

So - if you were tasked with building a bridge over a river and have used all of your bricks building a bank and a courtroom - then how're you going to build a bridge ?


The point I'm making is that the wandering mind is an attempt by the mind to self-organise .. ... however self-organization requires substrate which isn't available given poor models of learning through disconnected immoral system processor time occupancy.


If you're spending your time working out how to generate new laws to make a better society then you're incapable of seeing that the very existence of laws is the problem - the very existence of mind types which require laws to keep them in crudely social compatibility.


If you spend your time working up new models of drugs for injecting into the bodies of the diseased - then the preventative scheme is off the radar.


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So - summarising
The wandering mind is the sign of a mind which is attempting to fold all observational data into consistency.
This is EASY for the ADDer - and it is such a relief to find information which does not fall into the current model as it provides a learning opportunity to build the model to encapsulate it fairly.
I'm still open to complete elimination of the model I'm describing - but it's going to be hard - as I can't imagine any alternative - and have no attachment to the current model.
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Re: A Biological marker for ADHD

I'm describing a model of



physical body growth <- primitive reward system

giving rise [at stage wisdom] to

psychological 'body' development <- psychological reward system


All that's different about ADDers is that the transition is more compelling in that the information paradigm (information deluge) is greater - and so we're compelled to develop handling capacity.


Or neocortical quality.


However - that doesn't mean that we're not in the grips of the primitive reward system at birth of mind - just that the taper to wisdom is more keenly in place - because of the compelling nature of increased quality of information sensing.
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Re: A Biological marker for ADHD

What's the key biological marker for ADHD ?
A tendency towards a bespoke and not a generic learning strategy.


Imagine the neocortical tree of quality in two people - they'll be significantly different.


The individual needs to choose how to develop themselves but with all options held open.


I don't mind learning to swim properly with 4 year olds.


Not a problem.


People need to get over themselves.
That in fact is a perfect description of the human task.


To get over ego (our self) into a better self which cares little for comparison because it's too busy developing.


Other people need simply stay out of the way.


And anythign I generate - I'll give away.


Have no need for it once it's discovered - need to find something new.


Finding something new - to my mind represents the discovery of a novel mechanism of training which fasttracks some element of personal neocortical quality which one finds oneself drawn to.
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Re: A Biological marker for ADHD

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ADDers are not paying attention because we're roving our own minds.


There's nothing outside that we much care for.


The ADDer is personal neocorticla quality adapted.
Using just my mind, I bore myself silly in under five minutes.
That's how I put myself to sleep at night.

Why do I enjoy forums like this and facebook groups so much?
Because I'm learning about things I find interesting.
I find people I can relate to.
We can compare experiences. (not compete)
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Using just my mind, I bore myself silly in under five minutes.
That's how I put myself to sleep at night.

Why do I enjoy forums like this and facebook groups so much?
Because I'm learning about things I find interesting.
I find people I can relate to.
We can compare experiences. (not compete)

Anything anybody says needs to trigger interest within your mind for you to attend.
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Re: A Biological marker for ADHD

The goal of mind is to understand human context.


Stephen Hawking has a necessary quote on this subject.


http://spiritual-artwork.org/wp-cont...rse-exists.jpg


The evolutionary mechanism the generalized theory of everything


http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/P...IPXzE1sBml.jpg
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Re: A Biological marker for ADHD

ToE predicts ADHD - a model based prediction - proper science not idiotic data generation for pattern recognition.


Scientists have led themselves to believe that data crunching large datasets is science.


It's costly nonsense - people should have thought about it first.


80s epid shows us what we need to do to eliminate disease.


And yet the relentless drugs lords did advance.


Nobody out of the system can see through the failed efficacy in drugs
the gp just wants you to ge the **** out of their cubicle.


Placebo will work - now get lost.
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Re: A Biological marker for ADHD

You're being conned by everybody else in a monetary based economy


https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2018/05/21...d-malpractice/


Emperor's new clothes moment - anybody paying attention to power/hierarchy/money is of no mental quality.


Being able to orientate to money (derive reward from moey) is a sign of immoral nature.
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SB-- you know my trade.
I'm not interested in big broad fancy ideas about "the cause of all disease".
I see people who have real life problems and want help.
They want help so they can get on with their lives, and travel their own paths, making their own contributions, as do I.

I think that if you are looking for THE basis for all disease, you are going to find either something that is too vague and allegedly spiritual to be of benefit
This is the trap-- these big global views don't give us a tool that we can use to help free people up so that they can help themselves.



Having said that, I do believe there is value in the spiritual traditions, and I and I do believe that their views are based on direct interaction with reality-- even if they have sometimes used some complex belief systems to explain what is going on. I do not know how that fits in to a view of the whole universe, but it does seem to produce clinical results.

Acupucture is possibly based on empirical experimentation (though I doubt that is the whole story). Regardless, the early experiments came up with a model of meridians etc which looks positively loopy to the Western mind. Her3e's the catch-- that system of meridians generated a whole new class of treatments, all of which seem to work-- if you know enough to follow the system.

So next, we come to another anomoly:-
When meditating or doing QiGong, we are supposed to work with our tongue pressing against the back of our front upper teeth (the incisors).
I had always taken that as mere superstition (arrogant Westerner that I was).
Yeah, ok, bulldust, bulldust, whatever makes you happy.

A couple of weeks after I came across 2 papers proving that adopting that tongue posture improves postural stability AND isometric strength of a bent knee.

These are simple experiments and can be replicated any time someone in a university can collect the funds to do it.

The bottom line for me is to take spiritual traditions very seriously when they focus on a small detail, but to also remember the enormous translation differences that we have in sorting out how we should apply these traditions to everyday life.


In the meantime- a key message to me is to sit up straight and keep your tongue pressing against the back of your upper incisors when trying to concentrate.
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There is neither fun nor profit to be had in polishing the brass knobs on a bandwagon.
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The Molecular Explosion of the last 50 years has been such a waste of time.
If only people had watched Francis Crick ?

You don't get out of DNA into mind unless one's somewhat impressive insight tells you to.
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- incidentally whilst sitting up straight and with the tongue lifted up and back - can't concentrate otherwise.
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In subsequent years he expanded his interests to focus on how the brain works and the nature of consciousness.
Surely nobody's going to argue with 2 of the most significant scientists of our time?
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Perhaps the most difficult, and at the same time the most interesting problem in neuroscience, is the nature of consciousness.
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You can't solve ADHD until the trivial solution to the problem of consciousness is found.
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That is not a biological marker.
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You can't solve ADHD until the trivial solution to the problem of consciousness is found.



No, no, no.

What you mean is that YOU can't.

Sorry SB, but that one was there waiting to be said, and I am just the man to do it.
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