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Old 11-03-10, 06:31 PM
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Does our son have ADHD or autism??

Hello all Parents, We would love a diagnosis for our son, Mikio. He is almost 2 1/2 and from all the research we have done online he may either have ADHD or autism. Our doctor has told us that an assessment will not be conducted until he is atleast 6yrs of age. But we would love to know what he has now to better prepare him for pre-school/kindergarten. From what we read and researched he could be either ADHD or autistc or possibly even have Asperger's syndrome. I listed a few of his mannerisms and was wondering if there are any parents with kids out there that have the same mannerisms and have already had their child assessed? - he has very delayed speech, maybe 2-3 words only, talks alot but in his own made up language,.- he wakes a up every single night, agitated screaming & crying, sometimes 2 or 3 times a night.- he is up at the crack of dawn, and is VERY active all day long climbing, jumping, running until bedtime.- he pinches, and hits and bites when he doesn't get his way. - he screams out loud for no apparent reason.- he has an obsession with lining all his toys up in a straight line, and he will do this for hours with his lego, his cars, crayons etc...- he won't sit in his high chair when it's feeding time. we are constantly chasing him around to feed him.- he doesn't like to be held for very long, Very squirmish unless he is sleeping. But he is the love of our life♥ And otherwise a very loving, adorable little boy. If any moms or dads out there can shed some light on what he may posssibly have (ADHD or autism), it would really help us out. I would just like to know what we are dealing with and if there is anything we can do to assist in the transition from our home to preschool... Thank you so much!!!
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Re: Does our son have ADHD or autism??

Go see a pediatrician or psychiatrist who specialises in learning and developmental disorders.

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Hello all Parents, We would love a diagnosis for our son, Mikio. He is almost 2 1/2 and from all the research we have done online he may either have ADHD or autism. Our doctor has told us that an assessment will not be conducted until he is atleast 6yrs of age. But we would love to know what he has now to better prepare him for pre-school/kindergarten.

From what we read and researched he could be either ADHD or autistc or possibly even have Asperger's syndrome. I listed a few of his mannerisms and was wondering if there are any parents with kids out there that have the same mannerisms and have already had their child assessed?

- he has very delayed speech, maybe 2-3 words only, talks alot but in his own made up language,.
- he wakes a up every single night, agitated screaming & crying, sometimes 2 or 3 times a night.
- he is up at the crack of dawn, and is VERY active all day long climbing, jumping, running until bedtime.
- he pinches, and hits and bites when he doesn't get his way.
- he screams out loud for no apparent reason.
- he has an obsession with lining all his toys up in a straight line, and he will do this for hours with his lego, his cars, crayons etc...
- he won't sit in his high chair when it's feeding time. we are constantly chasing him around to feed him.
- he doesn't like to be held for very long, Very squirmish unless he is sleeping.

But he is the love of our life♥ And otherwise a very loving, adorable little boy. If any moms or dads out there can shed some light on what he may posssibly have (ADHD or autism), it would really help us out. I would just like to know what we are dealing with and if there is anything we can do to assist in the transition from our home to preschool... Thank you so much!!!
First, none of us can diagnose your son. Surely you wouldn't trust a diagnosis from a few words read on a forum anyway, eh?

However, he does sound like he may be on the Autism Spectrum, and possibly have some ADHD thrown in to boot. Could be something else entirely.

The wonderful Autism consultant for our school district is very fond of saying "If you've seen one kid with Autism - you've seen one kid with Autism." They are all different, and yet there are some behaviors that are certainly common to Autism.

My granddaughter did the lining-up-the-toy-cars thing rather than any kind of imaginative play with them. Didn't want anyone else to play with her or move the cars either. She babbled in her own language until she was 4, and got very frustrated because she couldn't always understand us and we couldn't ever understand her. And when she was frustrated she would lash out and eventually have a meltdown - completely inconsolable for an hour or more.

Some of it, like him hitting the ground running in the morning and being on the go all day sounds more ADHDish. You need to find another doctor - or a childhood development specialist. Children CAN be diagnosed when they are under 6, especially with Autism.
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Hello all Parents, We would love a diagnosis for our son, Mikio. He is almost 2 1/2 and from all the research we have done online he may either have ADHD or autism.
We went through the same struggle to identify if our son (now 8 yrs old) was mildly autistic or ADHD. We are still not entire sure on one or the other. We are now leaning towards ADHD-PI because he is responding to the medicine exactly as predicted.

Our son was also a late talker. Almost 4 1/2 before we could really hear more than a few words. He had eye contact problems and a few other minor symptoms that seemed to be on the autism list. But he never really scored high enough to even be mildly autistic.

Many of the symptoms on the autism list are also on the ADHD list, particularly ADHD-PI (predominantly inattentive).

We had our son evaluated by the school system for autism. It took a few months to get that evaluation. He was 4 (almost 5 yrs old). They had 5 different experts evaluation him for half a day. They told us he doesn't score in the autism range.

Now we are coming to the conclusion that it is likely ADHD-PI. Primarily because he is responding so well to Adderall. His 2nd grade teacher is sending us great reports the past two weeks since he started this ADHD medication.

If your child is only 2 1/2 yrs old, it is likely too early for an ADHD diagnosis.

The symptoms you shared about lining up toys, doesn't like to be held, etc, seem to be autistic to me based on my experience.

But from your descriptions, he seems much more active than kids that are autistic.

It is likely too early to determine if he has one or the other or even both.

We went gluten free and dairy free with our son. That was REALLY helpful in terms of getting him to start talking and calming down. He has been dairy free and gluten free for almost 4 years now. Our entire family is doing it so that we don't have to make separate meals.
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Re: Does our son have ADHD or autism??

Are there Early Intervention services in Canada?

Ideally Autism should be diagnosed as soon after age 2 as possible to allow for Early Intervention.
ADHD will often be left until the child attends a school setting, as one of the diagnostic criteria is that the symptoms are present in more than one setting.

Maybe if you make more of being concerned about Autism than ADHD, you might get referred sooner. Ask specifically about Early Intervention services. Also ask for a referral to a Speech and Language Therapist.
Try your Primary Care Physician/General Practicioner/Paediatrician, whoever it is you normally see and try your Public Health Nurse (or equivalent).
If your concerns are not being listened to, find another doctor.
If you have a relationship with a pre-school already, they may have some names of professionals that you could try.

Bear in mind that most ASD behaviours are normal at a point in time in childhood development, it's a concern when they are more persistent and are not grown out of in a similar time frame to their peers.
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We went through the same struggle to identify if our son (now 8 yrs old) was mildly autistic or ADHD. We are still not entire sure on one or the other. We are now leaning towards ADHD-PI because he is responding to the medicine exactly as predicted.
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I have suspected that ADHD and Autism are parts of the same spectrum ever since I began reading about Autism 3-4 years ago. Turns out that some in the scientific/medical community are also looking into this possibility. There are a couple of threads around here discussing this and sharing some info.
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Re: Does our son have ADHD or autism??

As others have been saying, you can probably find someone who will do some tests and help you with some interventions now. All doctors don't wait until the age of 6, which might be slightly ludicrous in some situations with autism and ADHD anyway.

Also, a diagnosis is seldom cut and dry. Scientists are discovering more about our brains all the time. Some people think ADHD and autism are heavily related, even part of the same spectrum of disorders. The science is imperfect and the diagnostic criteria and even names of disorders are always changing. We'll be seeing big changes related to ADHD and autism in 2013, from what I understand.

Where am I going with all of this? An accurate diagnosis is only important if it helps find the best treatments. The underlying goal shouldn't be to know what label you should put on the disorder, because there really can be crossovers, label changes, and few disorders are really black and white. Focus on the goal to find the best treatments to help your child.
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An accurate diagnosis is only important if it helps find the best treatments. The underlying goal shouldn't be to know what label you should put on the disorder, because there really can be crossovers, label changes, and few disorders are really black and white. Focus on the goal to find the best treatments to help your child.
Love this - very well said!!
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Re: Does our son have ADHD or autism??

This is a bit out there, but see if you can get his Vitamin 'D' level tested. It's easily correctible if it's low, and might be beneficial to him, especially at his young age.

Here is the Vitamin 'D' Council newsletter that describes vit d and how it relates to autism. I am not suggesting that autism is caused by a lack of vitamin 'd', but it may be exacerbated by it. The response after the letter is by Dr Cannell, who believes there is a strong link between austism spectrum disorders and low vitamin 'd' levels.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsl...e-report.shtml
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