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Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

Is my chronic cognitive "brain fog" due to my chronic affective "fight or flight or cry" distress responses?










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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

Do you know in general what your personal fight or flight response stems from? In situations where my flight or fight response has come into play it has always circled back to trauma I experienced.
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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

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Do you know in general what your personal fight or flight response stems from? In situations where my flight or fight response has come into play it has always circled back to trauma I experienced.
I would say the same in my experience.

I thought it was fight - flight - freeze? Not cry?
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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

We are all born with negative feeling unconditioned RAGE, FEAR, and GRIEF primary emotional distress response systems.

-RAGE/fight
-FEAR/flight
-GRIEF/cry

Without a primary RAGE system, we would not get angry and fight.

Without a primary FEAR system, we would not get anxious and flight. (run away)

Without a primary social GRIEF system, we would not miss our primary caregivers and cry.


What individual experiences and types of distresses stimulates these response systems, varies, depending on individual temperament and individual circumstances.

Whatever the individual reasons for being chronically stimulated, when these subcortical response systems are chronically stimulated, interferes with neocortical growth and function.




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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

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I would say the same in my experience.

I thought it was fight - flight - freeze? Not cry?


-"fight" is a secondary response, generated by the primary RAGE system.

- "flight" and "freeze" are secondary responses, generated by the primary FEAR system. (sometimes it might be better to freeze, than to run away.)

-"cry" response is a secondary response generated by the primary social GRIEF system.






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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

If I remember reading correctly, during fight ,or, flight/freeze, or, cry secondary distress responses, blood flows more to the lower subcortical areas of our brains', and less to the higher neocortical areas associated with ADHD.

If these lower responses occur chronic enough, could this slightly interfere with the natural development of the higher brain areas?

(And slight impairment in cognitive executive functions even more likely to occur, if the individual is already born with a more sensitive temperament to distresses)





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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

I pretty much live by the if all else fails CRY method. Cry is a tough hangover of headache to get over though. Hot and blotchy, runny nose, etc.
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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

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I pretty much live by the if all else fails CRY method. Cry is a tough hangover of headache to get over though. Hot and blotchy, runny nose, etc.
I often wish, I could cry and just let it all out but I can稚. I can become sad and upset and feel like crying and suddenly a switch flips and I become angry at the situation especially, when life is being cruel and unfair. I知 much more prone to stay in the angry, upset, ruminating, fight response.

The last time, I remember really crying was 30 years ago after the death of a very, very close friend whom I grew up with. I wish, I could cry and help avoid being so angry and upset.
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I often wish, I could cry and just let it all out but I can稚. I can become sad and upset and feel like crying and suddenly a switch flips and I become angry at the situation especially, when life is being cruel and unfair. I知 much more prone to stay in the angry, upset, ruminating, fight response.

The last time, I remember really crying was 30 years ago after the death of a very, very close friend whom I grew up with. I wish, I could cry and help avoid being so angry and upset.
I used to cry over everything, even Hallmark and phone commercials.
At some point I just stopped. Maybe after my divorce and my ex's death?
But I also became angry at the flip of a switch, and that's better now with meds.
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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

In the national geographic documentary "Einstein", Einstein wonders about a feeling of loneliness/sadness he experiences when he is separated from his family, that he does not experience when he is with his family.

This feeling of loneliness is common in many mammals when separated from family.

This feeling is generated by the social GRIEF system

Like RAGE/fight, anger, irritable, etc, or, FEAR/flight,freeze,anxiety,scared, etc.

There are secondary forms of GRIEF distress responses.

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GRIEF/cry, separation anxiety, loneliness, sadness, etc.



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Re: Is my "brain fog" due to my "fight/flight or cry" response?

Words alone can be tricky when discussing affective feelings.

Example, when humans feel the "flight" response they do not literally mean "fly" away, because humans can not fly, although many of us understand what we mean when we discuss the "flight" response.

In other words, terminolgy used to describe these feelings originate long after these primary and secondary response systems evolved.

For most accurate understanding, it is best to also consider the common mammalian brain systems/biology involved.










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