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Re: A complete Solution to Disease/Disorder/Suffering

I have seen those keto pure pills and am wondering if that would have the same effect as the C8/hemp oil solution without the stomach upsets.

Has anyone seen this? Trying to work out if it's legit coz I've seen a few things saying it's a scam
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Re: A complete Solution to Disease/Disorder/Suffering

8. The Plausible Benefits of Coupling Butyrate (Short Chain Fatty Acid) with BHB

Butyrate serves as a significant synergistic force for ketosis induction; BHB ligand interactions and pharmacology; and general health, fitness, and performance support. As discussed, an exogenous supply of ketones, such as a BHB salt, will provide an immediate alternative energy (ATP) substrate for the brain during periods of calorie or carbohydrate deprivation. However, concurrent butyrate supplementation in the form of sodium, calcium, or potassium butyrate (or its esters) will prompt the body to induce endogenous ketone synthesis; serve as a ligand to stimulate receptors that the ketone or ketone body will also act on; contribute to the improvement of insulin and general metabolic health; support inflammatory and general immune system health; support neurological health; support gastrointestinal health and integrity; and serve as an energy substrate for ATP generation directly—all in parallel with the benefits that concurrent supplementation of the sister ketone body (BHB) will provide.
The value of this combined system in the context of the ketogenic initiative is sensible. It must be highlighted that the common LCHF diet or ketogenic lifestyle is characterized by compromised carbohydrate intake which consequently results in compromised fiber intake. This ultimately gives rise to a potential deficiency in microbiome health and limitations of the potential short chain fatty acid by-products of the microbiome, including butyric acid. In addition, when we consider the fact that the microbiome is at regular risk of attack by environmental and dietary factors and pharmaceuticals such as antibiotics [138, 139], the supplemental butyric acid in the context described is fitting.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5902005/
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8. The Plausible Benefits of Coupling Butyrate (Short Chain Fatty Acid) with BHB

Butyrate serves as a significant synergistic force for ketosis induction; BHB ligand interactions and pharmacology; and general health, fitness, and performance support. As discussed, an exogenous supply of ketones, such as a BHB salt, will provide an immediate alternative energy (ATP) substrate for the brain during periods of calorie or carbohydrate deprivation. However, concurrent butyrate supplementation in the form of sodium, calcium, or potassium butyrate (or its esters) will prompt the body to induce endogenous ketone synthesis; serve as a ligand to stimulate receptors that the ketone or ketone body will also act on; contribute to the improvement of insulin and general metabolic health; support inflammatory and general immune system health; support neurological health; support gastrointestinal health and integrity; and serve as an energy substrate for ATP generation directly—all in parallel with the benefits that concurrent supplementation of the sister ketone body (BHB) will provide.
The value of this combined system in the context of the ketogenic initiative is sensible. It must be highlighted that the common LCHF diet or ketogenic lifestyle is characterized by compromised carbohydrate intake which consequently results in compromised fiber intake. This ultimately gives rise to a potential deficiency in microbiome health and limitations of the potential short chain fatty acid by-products of the microbiome, including butyric acid. In addition, when we consider the fact that the microbiome is at regular risk of attack by environmental and dietary factors and pharmaceuticals such as antibiotics [138, 139], the supplemental butyric acid in the context described is fitting.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5902005/
I've tried to read this about 10 times over the last day but there are too many words for me to be capable of holding them in my head to make any meaning put of them. Cm someone gifted with reading comprehension please summarize into less nd more simple words? Cheers
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Re: A complete Solution to Disease/Disorder/Suffering

More now to follow. Just started - incredible effect - relaxing through GABA - and here's the summary. MCT drops BHB below baseline - bad thing - corrected by combination.
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18g BHB
30ml MCT

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Elimination of glucogenic amino acids (so eliminate protein to simplify).
Elimination of GI elevating (so sugar/starch).
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So How Does All This Work Out for Your Gut Bacteria?

I gather the aim of this complete solution is to virtually eliminate carbs, including the fiber that the good carbs contain. And I get that the authors of some of your sources seem to be trying to address this with supplemental Butyric Acid, BHB, etc, which also happen to be produced in the normal course by several species of gut bacteria when provided with generous amounts of FOS and GOS from soluble fiber in complex carbohydrates (such as bananas, onions, garlic, asparagus, oats, etc).

But at the same time, we read that the microbiomes of the healthiest (and leanest) humans are those which contain the most diversity of bacteria, and particularly Bacteroidetes which feast on complex carbs.

So what is the long-term effect on the microbiome in particular--and human health in general--when the supply of soluble fiber from complex carbs is removed? It seems to me this just about has to lead to a reduction in the number and diversity of gut bacteria, to the detriment (obesity? colon cancer?) of the human host.
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I'm dying to know what is for dinner?
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Re: A complete Solution to Disease/Disorder/Suffering

Yes - 18g BHB / 30 ml MCT-C8

Immediate effects on mind - relaxation.


But so far the allergic reaction is fighting - BHB hasn't controlled it after a couple of days - but in the absence of any forms of meter - let's see what happens in time.
BHB - tremendous appetite suppressant activity.


amphetamine vs BHB - the two appetite suppressants we've discussed here.


Night-time - kimchi (prebiotic/probiotic) + anti-oxidant extract drink (from berries)

So far - analysing everything that I eat.
I appear to only be able to eat the kimchi + drink (anti-oxidant) without pain.

The experiment continues.
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The pattern is very much of carb vs fat

carb (amphetamine - sugar rush)
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fat (bhb, ghb, GABA - valium relaxed)
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No pain with hemp oil
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I gather the aim of this complete solution is to virtually eliminate carbs, including the fiber that the good carbs contain. And I get that the authors of some of your sources seem to be trying to address this with supplemental Butyric Acid, BHB, etc, which also happen to be produced in the normal course by several species of gut bacteria when provided with generous amounts of FOS and GOS from soluble fiber in complex carbohydrates (such as bananas, onions, garlic, asparagus, oats, etc).

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So what is the long-term effect on the microbiome in particular--and human health in general--when the supply of soluble fiber from complex carbs is removed? It seems to me this just about has to lead to a reduction in the number and diversity of gut bacteria, to the detriment (obesity? colon cancer?) of the human host.

kimchi (loaded with inulin) is becoming the major 'food' I eat.
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