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Old 08-23-18, 12:14 PM
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Re: 200mg Concerta

Stimulants have different types of effects. The energizing/motivating aspect is probably not ever going to come back (and is not sustainable). The focusing and wakefulness effects are much more resistant to tolerance.

200 mg/day (and even 90 mg/day) are well above average. I'm not saying that you don't need that dose. That decision is between you and your doctor. But your doctor would need to be in on this plan (i.e. not you impulsively deciding to self dose). That would probably entail slowly trying out incrementally higher doses and continually reassessing how you respond.
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Stimulants have different types of effects. The energizing/motivating aspect is probably not ever going to come back (and is not sustainable). The focusing and wakefulness effects are much more resistant to tolerance.

200 mg/day (and even 90 mg/day) are well above average. I'm not saying that you don't need that dose. That decision is between you and your doctor. But your doctor would need to be in on this plan (i.e. not you impulsively deciding to self dose). That would probably entail slowly trying out incrementally higher doses and continually reassessing how you respond.
Well i'v had two days of medication, Fasting, melatonin, exersice, and today i'v feel like i'v took 36mg tablet (took 90mg)
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Re: 200mg Concerta

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Re: 200mg Concerta

I think this topic should be an example to everyone who are thinking about having fun with their medication or who want to misuse them

I m not going to tell you how unethic , unmoral etc. it is because i know that these terms are not convincing anybody

But there is one thing real, if u do it no matter for which reason

It has a cost

U cant keep increasing dose like 108-144-200-300-500 etc , there is no way
And when you realize that you did mistake
You start worrying about how will your tolerance decrease , how will you have your treatment at theuropatic dosages.
We don’t even know (or maybe some people know)
Do methylphenidate and amphetamines have cross tolerance?

Nothing worths to face with this consequence
You may kill your chance to get treatment even who knows?
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Re: 200mg Concerta

I want to add one more thing
Even ADHD patients are doing it , there is a reason for it. Popular culture and history
If you promote these drugs as “Brain viagra” , “Super Soldier Pill” , “ Limitless” etc
It creates a wrong image in everyone’s head

I know that many people have suffered ADHD, they want to be happy for a second
Being cool guy “look dude my medication is making me Einstein”
Maybe you do it with a good willing , innocent reason

But later it turns to us as a weapon. , we are feeding stigma

Look at chronic pain patients , popular culture blames them with having legal opioid fun?
No?

We should create same image , Mature people knows it better here , when u are young you may think different
But we must learn from all of these things
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Sorry i wasn't aware but i thought it could come open to some people who want to take more then there current dose
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Sorry i wasn't aware but i thought it could come open to some people who want to take more then there current dose
Are you following your treatment team's medication plan? Do you agree with the plan?
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Old 08-28-18, 06:51 AM
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Are you following your treatment team's medication plan? Do you agree with the plan?
I was till this happened. But my tolerance is back to the way it was now, Mistake won"t happen again!
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Re: 200mg Concerta

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I was till this happened. But my tolerance is back to the way it was now, Mistake won"t happen again!
What are your expectations for how the meds should affect you? Often, people have unrealistic expectations for how the meds should operate long term.

One reason why is that stimulant meds often provide boost in energy/motivation for the first few days. But this effect goes away.

Long term, the meds should help with focusing, but it's still up to you to decide what tasks to direct your attention to.
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What are your expectations for how the meds should affect you? Often, people have unrealistic expectations for how the meds should operate long term.

One reason why is that stimulant meds often provide boost in energy/motivation for the first few days. But this effect goes away.

Long term, the meds should help with focusing, but it's still up to you to decide what tasks to direct your attention to.
The effects make me focused, stick to a task, motive, haven't experaince any side effects either, I know people chase the high feeling. But i didn"t do it for that reason, i generally was reading up online about this medication, I come across people taking stupidly high amounts of adderall/ritalin/concerta, I realised i had concerta, my impulsive kicked in, so i took 144mg, was waiting for this "high" feeling everyone talks about, next day took 200, Exremaly bad side effects, dry mouth that was causing bleeding in the mouth, I felt like i was gonna have a panic attack at some points, My chest was just twitching, I released i fuc*** up
i didn't take any medication for 2 days, took 72mg (doctor increased medication, Never worked, so i was generally thinking i was taking placebos.

Few weeks later i got increased to 90mg, I still feel nothing, but i realised i abused my medication, I'v got 200mg tolerance and my brain isn't going to forget it, A member from this website is generally really helping with my mistake, I'v had a break since sunday, took 90mg today (tuesday) felt focused, Like i thought my tolerance is actually lowered, Couple hours later the effect disappered. So i'm taking 2 weeks break from the medication..

Is it parement tolerance?
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Re: 200mg Concerta

I think you are maybe using the word tolerance to describe something that happened to you that isnt necessarily tolerance. You abused the drug and wanted certain effects that you did not get. Now that you are not getting any of those good affects you are wondering if you gave yourself permanent tolerance right? I dont know if such a thing physically exists but mentally the compulsion to take more than prescribed will be hard to combat. You know what its like when the med works and are impatient for it to work again so the cycle of taking more and more starts back up again. How about trying a different med?
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I think you are maybe using the word tolerance to describe something that happened to you that isnt necessarily tolerance. You abused the drug and wanted certain effects that you did not get. Now that you are not getting any of those good affects you are wondering if you gave yourself permanent tolerance right? I dont know if such a thing physically exists but mentally the compulsion to take more than prescribed will be hard to combat. You know what its like when the med works and are impatient for it to work again so the cycle of taking more and more starts back up again. How about trying a different med?
I'v requested for Elvanse, But doctor saying it's to "weak" for me, I tried request Strattera but he doesn't think it's a good idea due to side effects that i use to get from it, There the only two options in the UK i can think off, I know that i won't do it again and it was one hell of a stupid mistake. I know once my tolerance is back to basic, I will stick to the basic dose i'm meant to be on
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I'v requested for Elvanse, But doctor saying it's to "weak" for me, I tried request Strattera but he doesn't think it's a good idea due to side effects that i use to get from it, There the only two options in the UK i can think off, I know that i won't do it again and it was one hell of a stupid mistake. I know once my tolerance is back to basic, I will stick to the basic dose i'm meant to be on
Elvanse is weak but maybe you can use it for short term, you are very stubborn about your tolerance but you can’t have a break because of your impulsive symptoms
So maybe you can use Elvanse for a month until you are ready to use concerta

Of course these are only opinions, your doctor must approve before you do anything

So ask your doctor how about this option?
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I know once my tolerance is back to basic, I will stick to the basic dose i'm meant to be on
I think this is a good idea. Keep things simple and follow your doctor's med plan. The focusing effects (but not motivation effect) tend to be pretty stable long term, so if the Concerta worked for you in the past, it should continue to work for you in the future.

If I were you, I wouldn't even bother with taking a two week break, but that's just my opinion. Once you do restart it, the best way to assess it's effectiveness is to immerse yourself in productive tasks and see how well you are able to stick to those tasks. That's better than waiting around to "feel" the meds being effective. Sometimes, the meds aren't meant to have an obvious feeling. They sometimes just work in the background, and you don't notice it until you look back at the end of the day
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I think this is a good idea. Keep things simple and follow your doctor's med plan. The focusing effects (but not motivation effect) tend to be pretty stable long term, so if the Concerta worked for you in the past, it should continue to work for you in the future.

If I were you, I wouldn't even bother with taking a two week break, but that's just my opinion. Once you do restart it, the best way to assess it's effectiveness is to immerse yourself in productive tasks and see how well you are able to stick to those tasks. That's better than waiting around to "feel" the meds being effective. Sometimes, the meds aren't meant to have an obvious feeling. They sometimes just work in the background, and you don't notice it until you look back at the end of the day
Well i got in cotact with my doctor, He's put me on Elvanse 30mg, Next week 50mg, following week 70mg, If Elvanse doesn't agree with me due to it being weak, He will start me back of with 36mg Concerta and work my way back up as tolerance should be lowered.

I'm new to this sort of information you guys are giving me, So i'm kinda finding it hard to understand it
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