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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

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i just feel like adhd kids wouldn't drive someone with good emotional regulation skills to abuse
I think you're right - but isn't there a pretty high likelihood that at least one parent of an ADHDer won't have good emotional regulation skills?
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

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I can see several big flaws with the study.

1. Defining physical abuse

2. Without #1 the study must depend on the patients definition and interpretation as to whether abuse occurred.

3. What is considered punishment to an NT child could easily be perceived as abuse to a child with ADHD. We have emotional regulation issues.

Many times my brother and I would receive a beating with a belt. I would scream and cry and be traumatized. My brother would laugh and say it didn't hurt even when it did. I would think about it for days and he could care less.
#3 is a good point.

Interesting how you and your brother felt differently about being disciplined.

However, I consider "beating with a belt" to be abusive.
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

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I think you're right - but isn't there a pretty high likelihood that at least one parent of an ADHDer won't have good emotional regulation skills?
Sure. But as an adult once it happens once your to do something about it

No excuses why it should become a persistent pattern of abuse
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

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It mentions sexual abuse too


That has no relation to having an ADHD parent
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

There are lots of different unintentional adoption/anxiety/depression/addiction, like, types of emotional distress, that may affect families.

Abuse throughout life being another type of emotional distress, that may worsen the severity of ADHD impairments of people who have inherited/born with a more emotionally hypersensitive temperament.






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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

From my own personal experiences of what abuse was to me, but at the time, I didn't recognize it as such:

I was raised being told how ugly of a baby I was. Apparently, I only weighed 5lbs. when I was born and was super tiny and shriveled up. That didn't meet mom and society's definition of a cute healthy baby, and it was discussed often through the years, and certainly didn't do much to build any self-esteem. Constant comparisons went on throughout all of my years at home. I was never good enough.

We were spanked quite often with belts, belt buckles, switches, and bare hands.

Fear of everything different than us was ingrained in our brain, big time.

I suffered sexual abuse at the age of 13 from a much older cousin, but was convinced (from all the fear shoved down our throats through the years) that I must have done something wrong to make it happen, so I never told anyone.

Those patterns of abuse continued through my adult years because I'd felt I must be doing something to deserve it.

None of the adults viewed that stuff (besides the sexual abuse) as abuse back then. It was called good parenting by most.
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

Unmanagable.

I know what you mean about the attitude from when I was a kid.
I was also sexually abused at 12-13 by an older brother.
I probably would never have told, but my little sister woke up, heard us, and told the parents.
I think she felt she was being left out.

I didn't realize I didn't deserve to be treated so badly, that I hadn't done anything to deserve it,
until I was 38 and finally found a great support group for survivors of sexual assault/abuse.
I was 53 before I finally knew that most of what I caught flak for a child wasn't because I was bad or stupid,
it was because I had ADHD.
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#3 is a good point.

Interesting how you and your brother felt differently about being disciplined.

However, I consider "beating with a belt" to be abusive.
Your last sentence really made me think back. I am not sure if just using a belt makes it abusive.

The one performing the discipline determines the level of abuse. The reason I say that is because the worst I ever received was from a paddle by a teacher.

My father had used belts many times on the butt and it was rough. The worst I remember was a paddling from my 7th art teacher. One the few teachers names I never forgot. She was a very large woman with a helluva swing. She did it in the hallway 6 times in front of the Principal and anyone else walking by. I had bad bruises for about a month.

Never did I tell my parents. I knew that would result in me being in trouble and most likely getting spanked again.
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

In third grade the teacher whacked me across the knuckles with a wooden ruler
- just once - but I could feel weather changes in that hand for years and years afterwards.

When my daughter was little, 35 years ago, I thought spanking was normal.
Now I think it's almost always abuse, and is sending entirely the wrong message.

Like: you hit your brother so now I'm going to hit you on the bottom. Does that actually make sense?
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

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Yes, the behaviors of children with ADHD can lead to increased possibility of abuse by parent.
I had ADHD and was abused BUT I was the quiet, withdrawn kid, which is still typical within the range of ADHD. Both my parents have ADHD (I think - they've never been diagnosed) but there was no link between that and my abuse - for instance my brother wasn't abused in any way, but I copped all types of abuse. So I'm reluctant to make this particular link.
Also, a lot of child abuse is methodical, planned out and long-term, rather than impulsive acting out.

I've recently come to the conclusion that I have PTSD because of what happened to me after facing up to a few things. I have to wonder how many of my ADHD symptoms my be due to that, and if so how many previously abused ADDERS are out there because of the abuse, rather than being born with it as I previously thought. But its all heresay, I suppose. I feel like I'm left sitting in a corner somewhere and waiting for someone to actually come up with some decent answers, once and for all.

(This comment isn't directly made at you Lunacie, I'm just using your quote.)
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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

ADHD related behaviour does not cause children with ADHD to be punished abusively.

Abuse punishment for ADHD related behaviour is the result of uneducated adults, that don't understand ADHD.




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When my daughter was little, 35 years ago, I thought spanking was normal.
Now I think it's almost always abuse, and is sending entirely the wrong message.
Spanking was normal growing up for me. It was a common practice in every school I attended except High School. I even got spanked by my school bus driver. I felt lucky because he didn't tell my parents. I have even been spanked by my friends parents. They were given permission.

This is very interesting because I never thought I was abused and know I do.
I always thought I was just a bad kid. My damn art teacher abused me physically and emotionally, doing it in front of everyone in the hallway while classes were changing!!!

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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

People with a more emotionally hypersensitive temperament are even more likely to be affected by emotional distress than people born with more robust emotional temperament.

My father was one of the greatest people I know, but old school.

And after he passed away, I was surprised to have reoccurring memories about some times he spanked me as a child. (subconscious memories I didn't remember having since I was a child )

I remember being spanked, but what I remember troubling me the most then, was thinking and wondering why, because I didn't know what I did wrong to get the spanked in the first place.

Although I was grounded from the first report card til summer report card every school year, it seemed my parents did realize that there was something slightly different about me and stopped using most old school methods of discipline, because they simply didn't work.

I think spanking was considered normal then.





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Re: 30% of adults with ADHD were abused as a child???

Side Note: I think my father would support my post above.

Before he passed away I started taking ADHD medication, and he noticed the improvement, and encouraged me to take the medication and "show them".(-dad)

It's like my dad had a "that's why" moment as well.

That made me feel real good.

Before he passed away I would sometimes discuss these types of parenting topics with my parents, what we know now, verses what we new then, etc., before I would post them here at ADDF.


We can't go back in time, but we can take the information we now know and help educated the newer generations.



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ADHD related behaviour does not cause children with ADHD to be punished abusively.

Abuse punishment for ADHD related behaviour is the result of uneducated adults, that don't understand ADHD.

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People with a more emotionally hypersensitive temperament are even more likely to be affected by emotional distress than people born with more robust emotional temperament.

My father was one of the greatest people I know, but old school.

And after he passed away, I was surprised to have reoccurring memories about some times he spanked me as a child. (subconscious memories I didn't remember having since I was a child )

I remember being spanked, but what I remember troubling me the most then, was thinking and wondering why, because I didn't know what I did wrong to get the spanked in the first place.

Although I was grounded from the first report card til summer report card every school year, it seemed my parents did realize that there was something slightly different about me and stopped using most old school methods of discipline, because they simply didn't work.

I think spanking was considered normal then.

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