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Old 01-07-14, 06:40 PM
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

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I only have the gist, but think it's interesting that it delves into how executive functions have evolved, but not sure if that has much implications for improving treatments.
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

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I only have the gist, but think it's interesting that it delves into how executive functions have evolved, but not sure if that has much implications for improving treatments.
getting to understand how and why EFs evolved what exactly they are(opposed to vague definitions ), is the only way to get further towards the right treatment

it even can raise awareness in yourself to your own strengths and weakness in the area of EFs
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

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If you follow Barkley's theory on ADHD, it is a trait. Transcript of Barkley workshop http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/showarticle/2054 page 30

If you don't follow Barkley's theory then it is a whole different ballgame.

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I see. I misunderstood what was meant by trait. Apologies.
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Old 01-07-14, 07:23 PM
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

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Medications prescribed to help us compensate, also enhance performance in the rest of the population. Therein lies the problem. While there are people who are suffering and show a genuine need for diagnosis and medication, far too many have sought diagnosis to enhance their performance through medication.

My problem is with the doctors who aren't requiring thorough evaluations before prescribing medication to patients. Baseline of acceptability is often determined by neuro-pyschological testing, such as the WAIS-IV. Many post-secondary schools require this as part of documentation for many disabilities, including ADHD.

Anyone can fake or manipulate an inventory for their benefit. WAIS-IV, physical, blood work, etc. can't be faked or manipulated. How possible ADHD is negatively impacting someone's life can't be falsified.

The entire controversy surrounding ADHD is related to the medications that we are prescribed. By discrediting ADHD, it makes us appear as having an unfair advantage. If ADHD medications became over the counter drugs tomorrow, the controversy might disappear.

Should this happen, a story similar to the original BioShock would develop. In that game, a closed society literally destroys itself by taking "enhancement drugs." The original "enhancement drug" in BioShock was discovered because it healed a hand.
I'd agree, but some studies have shown that ADD medications don't help very much with a normal population.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/12/2...think-you-are/

They just hurt those who don't need them, but heaven forbid that stop people who don't need it from taking it.
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I think the dsm criteria should be tightened to include many more symptoms of as*holitis. The author obviously has this disorder.
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

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Is this from the same neurologist who said he saw heaven?
No he's the 'same' neurologist who likes to work with big pharma's inside feuds ( games exploiting their power and greed at we the people's expense since time immemorial and until we stop consuming their products IMO ) who gets nice kickbacks for stirring the pot


http://www.psych.org/practice/ethics
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

wtf,

And exactly WHO is this genius ? Whoever he is, he isn't going to be licensed, nor will he

belong to any reputable professional association of neurologist's, or the American Medical

Association.

It always floors me when one dipsheet with an advanced degree tries to stand up and

dispute something that just happens to be THE single most empirically supported childhood

disorder / developmental disability on EARTH.

If this were a sporting event, the score would literally be 10K + studies on ADHD Is REAL,

versus NONE (0), which meet the Scientific Method as valid and reliable + Published in a

Reputable (Peer Reviewed) Journal, to the contrary.

He has a better shot at "The Sky Is Falling" and "Earth Is Flat."

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http://www.drscore.com/Illinois/Neur..._10672498.html

http://http://www.vitals.com/doctors...d_Saul/reviews
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

Blanche,

ty 4 the links, but the reality is I honestly don't care who this clown is, if that's what he

really thinks / believes.

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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

Ah, the Daily Fail!

Back to the subject, this article would've been interesting if the author would've focused on misdiagnosis due to other conditions (physical and mental), overdiagnosis/underdiagnosis due to society's standards and accommodations for children/adults with this disorder who can't take medication due to side effects. But this article is a mess- it cites one guy who says it isn't real, but didn't even bother to make a study to prove it (2 kids who were misdiagnosed doesn't mean it's not a real issue), then turns the whole story around by saying some are deprived of very needed medication etc.

Personally, I found that getting this diagnosis, even as an adult, can be very hard: I had to try a couple months of anti-anxiety/anti-depressive pills to make sure anxiety isn't causing my symptoms, I had to do blood tests and I still have to get my bowel issues fixed, see a child psychiatrist, a neurologist, speak to a therapist, before I can return to my psychiatrist, who, based on all of the results of these tests, will decide if I get medication. And if it wasn't for all the money I have to spend, I wouldn't have a problem with it, since it's all way better than getting some treatment that doesn't help me.

What really bothers me is that the author and the "specialist" didn't bother to think about the reaction of Joe/Jane- (below) Average, who will think that all the kids with this diagnosis are bad, unruly and deserve punishment, usually physical abuse. If parents that have kids with issues take them to a child-psychiatrist, take them to therapy, that's already a gain, even if the kid has ADHD, anxiety, Asperger's or hasn't been educated properly- a good specialist can figure out what it is and help even an unruly, misbehaved child. And that's way better than beating up kids!
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

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And exactly WHO is this genius ? Whoever he is, he isn't going to be licensed, nor will he belong to any reputable professional association of neurologist's, or the American Medical Association.

It always floors me when one dipsheet with an advanced degree tries to stand up and dispute something that just happens to be THE single most empirically supported childhood disorder / developmental disability on EARTH.

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He has a better shot at "The Sky Is Falling" and "Earth Is Flat."
Heh. Michael Egnor, neurosurgeon, licensed, still working and still saying evolution is fake. Dr. Oz, still a licensed heart surgeon, pretty much everything that comes out of his mouth. Just the tip of a shamefully large iceberg of Argument from Authority that works on people and doesn't get the misguided authorities even a smack on the wrist. People believe what they want to believe.

BTW, Richard Saul is the author of a book called "ADHD Does Not Exist." It's on amazon already, although the publication date isn't until February. There are no customer reviews. . .(hint, hint!) but this would explain why his opinion is suddenly A Thing.
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

Doesn't care what the credentials are, because NONE of that changes the data to the

contrary. Hopefully he's trying to sell books, otherwise he just painted a bullseye on his

license, as ADHD is real, is THE single most empirically supported research I have ever come

across. Even if he's trying to be "cute", the potential damage he could cause from some type

of misunderstanding of the intentions, as well as the obvious misleading information, IMO, call

for a complaint.

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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

I love how, when some people try to say ADHD isn't real, they attribute it to things like not spending enough time outside, insufficient, exercise, television, radio, the microwave, solar flares, christmas trees. I just sit there like "It's documented as far back as 1798, bub. Quit wailing on it."

Guy's name was Alexander Chriton, if anybody's interested.
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I love how, when some people try to say ADHD isn't real, they attribute it to things like not spending enough time outside, insufficient, exercise, television, radio, the microwave, solar flares, christmas trees.I just sit there like "It's documented as far back as 1798, bub. Quit wailing on it."

Guy's name was Alexander Chriton, if anybody's interested.
I totally got ADHD from a Christmas tree!

My aunt had one of those aluminum ones in the 70's; BLUE! I'm sure the tackiness of it gave me ADHD!
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Re: ADHD does not exist according to Neurologist Richard Saul

I wish I could say it doesn't exist but this @$$holeitis must be contagious because I was trying to give sarah sweets another rep and the tptb at the forums herewouldn't let me do that !
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