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ADHD in girls.

Chicago Tribune article on a long-term study (10 years) that looked at different symptoms and outcomes for girls with ADHD. (Print link) The study was undertaken because the primary researcher noted that so few girls were included in major ADHD studies, and he wanted to know why and what the differences were.

Biggest problem seemed to be that while boys turn their frustration and anger outward, girls turn it inward. Girls with ADHD are more likely to fly under the radar and harm themselves, so his study attempts to point out the importance of diagnosing and treating girls even though they're not as disruptive to the rest of the world.
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Re: ADHD in girls.

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Chicago Tribune article on a long-term study (10 years) that looked at different symptoms and outcomes for girls with ADHD. (Print link) The study was undertaken because the primary researcher noted that so few girls were included in major ADHD studies, and he wanted to know why and what the differences were.

Biggest problem seemed to be that while boys turn their frustration and anger outward, girls turn it inward. Girls with ADHD are more likely to fly under the radar and harm themselves, so his study attempts to point out the importance of diagnosing and treating girls even though they're not as disruptive to the rest of the world.
Well, DUH!

I dropped out of high school. My sister had to fight for alternative schooling. neither of us DX ADHD at the time, & she's still not, but we both had anxiety issues. Sis told a classmate how she had to fight to get into that school, he replied, "Wow, I just had to throw a desk across the room."

I guess I need to stop bashing the Trib.

I didn't read the whole article, but what I did read I liked. I'll try to finish it after meds.

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Well, DUH!

I dropped out of high school. My sister had to fight for alternative schooling. neither of us DX ADHD at the time, & she's still not, but we both had anxiety issues. Sis told a classmate how she had to fight to get into that school, he replied, "Wow, I just had to throw a desk across the room."

I guess I need to stop bashing the Trib.

I didn't read the whole article, but what I did read I liked. I'll try to finish it after meds.

My youngest granddaughter threw a lot of things across the classroom,
starting in 1st grade, and hid under her desk many times, also left the
classroom and wandered the halls. It was very difficult to get her moved to a
different school - although I first asked about it when she was in 1st grade.

She never threw a desk however - maybe if she had something would have
been done before the start of 5th grade, eh?

Nove is diagnosed NOS-PDD, mostly autism with anxiety, possibly ADHD.
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Re: ADHD in girls.

Interesting thought.

There are hyper girls out there though that express violently.

Like in the case of domestic violence. There are many women who are the aggressors.

Personally I'm a runner. My ex was the physical one. So much anger. Many an argument was had in the bathroom because i couldn't even get that privacy.

Back on topic. There are also males who don't act out. I'm inattentive and I've never ever been violent in school work or otherwise.

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.
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My youngest granddaughter threw a lot of things across the classroom,
starting in 1st grade, and hid under her desk many times, also left the
classroom and wandered the halls. It was very difficult to get her moved to a
different school - although I first asked about it when she was in 1st grade.

She never threw a desk however - maybe if she had something would have
been done before the start of 5th grade, eh?

Nove is diagnosed NOS-PDD, mostly autism with anxiety, possibly ADHD.
I get so ANGRY over how unsupportive the education system in the US is!
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Interesting thought.

There are hyper girls out there though that express violently.

Like in the case of domestic violence. There are many women who are the aggressors.

Personally I'm a runner. My ex was the physical one. So much anger. Many an argument was had in the bathroom because i couldn't even get that privacy.

Back on topic. There are also males who don't act out. I'm inattentive and I've never ever been violent in school work or otherwise.

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.
I do think it's more a matter of Inattentive vs. Hyperactive than about gender.

It's about how disruptive to "normal" life your behavior is rather than how much difficulty you're having fitting into "normal" life.

It's the "children should be seen & not heard" thing taken way too far. As long as you don't disturb others, you can't possibly be disturbed yourself.

Gah! I'm getting too emotional here! Sorry, obviously I'm a bit bitter today!
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I do think it's more a matter of Inattentive vs. Hyperactive than about gender.

It's about how disruptive to "normal" life your behavior is rather than how much difficulty you're having fitting into "normal" life.

It's the "children should be seen & not heard" thing taken way too far. As long as you don't disturb others, you can't possibly be disturbed yourself.
I second the "gender" theory (not trying to disregard the bisexual/transsexual/gay/lesbian just talking about the majority of the population in general etc).

I think girls are underdiagnosed because of the general society views on what girls should be like and what boys should be like. Girls are generally expected to be quieter, internalize things, not move around a lot, not fight, be sweet etc. When a girl acts up she's "moody, obnoxious, stubborn, in a phase, talkative". If a girl has ADHD, everyone just notices depression, anxiety, mood disorders symptoms... they don't see the difficulty to concentrate, to stop moving around or talking loudly.

If a boy acts up it's just "boys being boys"... when he's running around, being really talkative, climbing the walls.. he's more external with the ADHD symptoms. He is seen as more disruptive and more noticeable. Everyone automatically thinks boys could have ADHD, not girls.

That's why it took till university to get me diagnosed with ADHD- combined type no less. I had all the symptoms, but everyone just coughed it up to me being a tomboy, depressed, anxious, moody, stubborn, chatty, forgetful, messy... (ADHD telltale signs!!!!) but not ADHD.
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Interesting thought.

There are hyper girls out there though that express violently.

Like in the case of domestic violence. There are many women who are the aggressors.

Personally I'm a runner. My ex was the physical one. So much anger. Many an argument was had in the bathroom because i couldn't even get that privacy.

Back on topic. There are also males who don't act out. I'm inattentive and I've never ever been violent in school work or otherwise.

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.
I didn't get physical with people, but as a child I slammed a LOT of doors, and
as a adult I continued to do that and put a fist through a wall once and threw
a few dishes (not AT anyone) and even a couple of kitchen chairs. Of course I
didn't slam doors at school or get into push-fights with other kids.


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I do think it's more a matter of Inattentive vs. Hyperactive than about gender.

It's about how disruptive to "normal" life your behavior is rather than how much difficulty you're having fitting into "normal" life.

It's the "children should be seen & not heard" thing taken way too far. As long as you don't disturb others, you can't possibly be disturbed yourself.

Gah! I'm getting too emotional here! Sorry, obviously I'm a bit bitter today!
re the bolded part: You might think that, but I do think it goes deeper, with
girls being more interested in pleasing others (especially adults) than boys
are and therefore moderating their behavior. I believe there has been some
research done on this.
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Re: ADHD in girls.

"Children should be seen and not heard" was a big theme in my parents house growing up.

I didn't realize till recently how much damage that can cause.

Like when girls are told to be quiet and look pretty. Maybe the message to be quiet is sent to them more.

We do treat genders differently. "Boys will be boys" makes it more acceptable for males to be loud and obnoxious.
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"Children should be seen and not heard" was a big theme in my parents house growing up.

I didn't realize till recently how much damage that can cause.

Like when girls are told to be quiet and look pretty. Maybe the message to be quiet is sent to them more.

We do treat genders differently. "Boys will be boys" makes it more acceptable for males to be loud and obnoxious.
Not being allowed to "talk back" or say "no" to adults got a lot of kids (boys
and girls both) sexually molested. I had a heart-to-heart talk with my daughter
and son-in-law about this when my grandkids were little.
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Really, the main reason I got diagnosed was that I behaved more like a boy. Hyperactivity in a girl really stood out.
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Good point. Don't talk back isn't what I learned. I learned not to talk period. Good bad or otherwise.
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Good point. Don't talk back isn't what I learned. I learned not to talk period. Good bad or otherwise.
That sucks. I couldn't talk to my dad, but I had some good conversations with
my mom, as long as I wasn't "talking back."
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Everyone automatically thinks boys could have ADHD, not girls.
Reminds me of what Svenny Kopp (Swedish child and adolescent psychiatrist interested in girls and neuropsychiatric disorders) wrote in a presentation (probably with a reference):
"Teachers more often interpret boys' oppositional behavior as ADHD, and girls' ADHD symtoms as oppositional behavior."
Which I believe is very true. Me and other crazy girls in school were just viewed as "crazy" and "oppositional", never was a diagnosis ever considered.
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Re: ADHD in girls.

Internalization vs externalization is what it's always seemed like to me. The same is true for the non-ADHD population as well, women are more likely to internalize.

I think I present in a more hyper and defiant fashion because I was an only child and very entitled. My instinct is always to think that everyone else is at fault. So instead of moping around or hating myself, I yell and scream at people for being idiots.

Not all boys are raised to be entitled, but I think far more boys are entitled than girls, on average.

Any time I got in trouble at school I would somehow convince my mom to take my side. I think I learned how to take advantage of my parents misanthropy. It was never hard to convince my parents that an authority figure was terrible, because they also had little respect for the concept of authority. Every problem I ever had was because I was simply "too smart" for school. It's really been a bear to unlearn that attitude and become a functional adult, but I'm also grateful that I don't have to deal with the self loathing that other people with ADHD have to deal with. It's hard to hate yourself when everything is someone else's fault. It's the perfect self defense mechanism, and I suspect that externalization is the natural state for the ADHD'er, until it's beaten out of them.

While I wasn't dx'ed as a child, I was dx'ed within a couple months of my first contact with a mental health professional. I never had to deal with the ssri carousel or any of that. If I wasn't such a self righteous, quick to anger jerk off, I'd probably still be undiagnosed. So, thanks mom and dad!
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