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Question ADHD and learning disabilities related?

I was just curious if it is common for an adhder to have learning disabilities of some type. I have always wondered if I had a learning disability. Is a psychiatrist or psychologist able to determine if one has a learning disability? Anyone know of any online self test that may help detect a learning disability? I know all online test are not a 'diagnosis' of any sort.......
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

As far as I know, it is common to have ADHD and a learning disability. I've read about a few of them, but in my opinion taking an online test is a waste of time because there are SO many differen't LDs.

Hearing problems, eye problems, math disorders, reading disorders, spatial reasoning disorders...the list never ends.
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

I have read similar things. I was diagnosed with a nonverbal learning disorder at the same time as the ADHD. This means I don't read social cues very well, if you don't tell me, I won't know. My spatial perception is all kinds of wonky as well... that was fun with one of the ADHD tests. I managed to not take the test at all two times b/c I couldn't tell if i was clicking the mouse hard enough. The third time, the doc got smart called the program manufacturer. They had programmed in an option to confirm the subject was clicking properly. It was hard b/c I didn't get visual confirmation from the screen like when you use windows. An online test couldn't pick that up... just sayin'...

I agree with fropunka, a psychologist or psychiatrist will be able to tell you the best.
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

Some statistics: Different studies may show different results. One of the reasons is that definitions of LD vary somewhat and different studies may use different criteria.

Basically the comorbid learning disability percentages are: Reading (8-39%), Spelling (12-26%), Math (12-33) (2007 figures)

The range is from different studies. The higher ones, I suspect, are more accurate.

This is from http://www.continuingedcourses.net/a.../course003.php

While probably not recommended for those just getting into the study of ADHD, this is an interesting site. It is official training for clinicians and for those who allege that Barkley is limited to what he has personally done studies on (as was discussed recently), this might be of interest.

Also, this is what it looks like when he writes for professionals. Especially look at the bibliography at the end. This is typical Barkley.

Resa, thanks for the question. While I was checking my stats, I ran into the course.

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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

There are significant comorbidities of learning disorders and ADHD, but I don't think it's fair to say they're "related" any more than one could say any significant comorbidity is related. Depression and anxiety go hand in hand but I wouldn't call them "related," as does juvenile bipolar disorder and ADHD (something like a 90% one way comorbidity). You could certainly call these related because of their, well, relation, but I guess it depends on what you mean by related?

Anything with significantly common comorbidity could be called "related."
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

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There are significant comorbidities of learning disorders and ADHD, but I don't think it's fair to say they're "related" any more than one could say any significant comorbidity is related. Depression and anxiety go hand in hand but I wouldn't call them "related," as does juvenile bipolar disorder and ADHD (something like a 90% one way comorbidity). You could certainly call these related because of their, well, relation, but I guess it depends on what you mean by related?

Anything with significantly common comorbidity could be called "related."
I really think much of these problems have a simular root that everyone likes to ignore.
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I really think much of these problems have a simular root that everyone likes to ignore.
Which would be . . . ?
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

I have a learning disability. I have deficits in fine motor skills, visual-spatial skills, visual motor coordination, visual perception, visual processing, executive function, visual memory, visual motor coordination. It's often comorbid with learning disabilities because when one area of the brain is affected, many others are.
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

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I was just curious if it is common for an adhder to have learning disabilities of some type. I have always wondered if I had a learning disability. Is a psychiatrist or psychologist able to determine if one has a learning disability? Anyone know of any online self test that may help detect a learning disability? I know all online test are not a 'diagnosis' of any sort.......
Highly corelative!!! I have a documented math disability as well. I also had two developmental delays, one speech and one fine/gross motor skills. I outgrew the former, but not the latter. Hope that helps!
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

my son has a speech delay and some type of cognative delay, i cant remember the evaluation he was given. which was when he was 18 mths old he's 4 now and still has a speech delay. i think he may have adhd, some say he's to young to diagnose......
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

You're right, Resa, I've never seen a child diagnosed at 18 months, but with how advanced the medical/psychiatric fields have become in the last 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if they could diagnose your son that young. I'd ask your pediatrician which age is his/her preference for a diagnosis. I happened to be four when the actual diagnosis was made, but I had my DDs when I was two, so I definitely believe if signs show when a child is younger, the diagnosis can be made much more quickly. My initial diagnosis was "soft neurological signs", which later led to my pediatrician suspecting I had an "attention deficit."

If your pediatrician tells you he/she can't confirm the diagnosis at your son's age now, get a referral when he's two or three. I had a preschool evaluation done by a team of psychologists for the school district I was in back then. Not only can they help get a diagnosis, they can formulate a plan with you for his in-school/after school care.
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Re: ADHD and learning disabilities related?

Some of the tests mentioned by Princess Moon can be taken through what's called a Cognitive Skills Test. I had one taken at a local LearningRX center. It cost like $50. You go into a very small room with someone who will be testing you. Can't remember if they audio recorded the session but it's possible. Then, they test you with words, sounds, pictures, etc. to see how your brain works. I personally think this is a good test to get since it's not your typical questionnaire.

The tests I were given were the following. They also give you a percentile ranking for each one which is compared to the 80% college-bound student average to see how you compare. I provided my percentages as example as well as a description for each to understand what each one means.

Visual Processing = 90%
Test 3 - COG: Spatial Relations (measure visual processing: the ability to percieve, analyze, synthesize, and think with visual patterns, including the ability to store and recall visual images)

Short-Term Memory = 83%
Test 7 - COG: Numbers Reversed (measures short-term memory: the ability to apprehend and hold information in immediate awareness and then use it within a few seconds)

Executive Processing Speed = 76%
Test 20 - COG: Pair Cancellation (provides information about executive processing/interference control, sustained attention, and processing speed)

Logic and Reasoning = 75%
Test 5 - COG: Concept Formation (measures login and reasoning: the ability to reason, form concepts, and solve problems using unfamiliar information and novel procedures)

Long-Term Memory = 60%
Test 2 - COG: Visual-Auditory Learning (measures long-term memory: the ability to store information and fluently retrieve it later in the process of thinking)

Word Attack = 40%
Test 13 - ACH: Word Attack (measures word attack skills: the knowledge of and application of sound codes in order to pronounce unknown words)

Auditory Processing = 24%
Test 21 - ACH: Sound Awareness (measures auditory processing: the ability to analyze, blend, segment, and synthesize speech sounds, crucial underlying skill for reading and spelling)

Auditory Processing turned out to be my lowest (weakest) area. The one thing about this test is that it doesn't quite resemble being in a time crunched, multi-tasked workplace where a lot of your skills are tested. I find it fairly accurate, though.
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You're right, Resa, I've never seen a child diagnosed at 18 months, but with how advanced the medical/psychiatric fields have become in the last 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if they could diagnose your son that young. I'd ask your pediatrician which age is his/her preference for a diagnosis. I happened to be four when the actual diagnosis was made, but I had my DDs when I was two, so I definitely believe if signs show when a child is younger, the diagnosis can be made much more quickly. My initial diagnosis was "soft neurological signs", which later led to my pediatrician suspecting I had an "attention deficit."

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I'm sorry I think I'm confussed or maybe I confussed you so sorry. I meant my son was diagnosed with a speech delay at 18 months. He's 4 yrs old now, will be 5 in Feb.
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Some of the tests mentioned by Princess Moon can be taken through what's called a Cognitive Skills Test. I had one taken at a local LearningRX center. It cost like $50. You go into a very small room with someone who will be testing you. Can't remember if they audio recorded the session but it's possible. Then, they test you with words, sounds, pictures, etc. to see how your brain works. I personally think this is a good test to get since it's not your typical questionnaire.

The tests I were given were the following. They also give you a percentile ranking for each one which is compared to the 80% college-bound student average to see how you compare. I provided my percentages as example as well as a description for each to understand what each one means.

Visual Processing = 90%
Test 3 - COG: Spatial Relations (measure visual processing: the ability to percieve, analyze, synthesize, and think with visual patterns, including the ability to store and recall visual images)

Short-Term Memory = 83%
Test 7 - COG: Numbers Reversed (measures short-term memory: the ability to apprehend and hold information in immediate awareness and then use it within a few seconds)

Executive Processing Speed = 76%
Test 20 - COG: Pair Cancellation (provides information about executive processing/interference control, sustained attention, and processing speed)

Logic and Reasoning = 75%
Test 5 - COG: Concept Formation (measures login and reasoning: the ability to reason, form concepts, and solve problems using unfamiliar information and novel procedures)

Long-Term Memory = 60%
Test 2 - COG: Visual-Auditory Learning (measures long-term memory: the ability to store information and fluently retrieve it later in the process of thinking)

Word Attack = 40%
Test 13 - ACH: Word Attack (measures word attack skills: the knowledge of and application of sound codes in order to pronounce unknown words)

Auditory Processing = 24%
Test 21 - ACH: Sound Awareness (measures auditory processing: the ability to analyze, blend, segment, and synthesize speech sounds, crucial underlying skill for reading and spelling)

Auditory Processing turned out to be my lowest (weakest) area. The one thing about this test is that it doesn't quite resemble being in a time crunched, multi-tasked workplace where a lot of your skills are tested. I find it fairly accurate, though.
I think this is very informative. Thanks a bunch for it. How and where do I get started. Where do they do these sorts of things. $50 is nothing if it can help identify a potential problem. THe Auditory Processing is given how? btw. thanks again.......
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